Comments on: John Ford Goes to Guantanamo, again http://zunguzungu.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/john-ford-goes-to-guantanemo-again/ Or, "If you stole my maize, I pull your teeth." Fri, 13 Nov 2009 23:19:05 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Billy Wilder’s The Apartment is a fine film « zunguzungu http://zunguzungu.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/john-ford-goes-to-guantanemo-again/#comment-1287 Billy Wilder’s The Apartment is a fine film « zunguzungu Sun, 24 May 2009 18:11:04 +0000 http://zunguzungu.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/john-ford-goes-to-guantanemo-again/#comment-1287 [...] Ford movies speak to the present day in ways Ford himself could never have seen (see Ford on GWOT here, here, here, and here) not also imply that, maybe, we see those movies with a kind of [...] [...] Ford movies speak to the present day in ways Ford himself could never have seen (see Ford on GWOT here, here, here, and here) not also imply that, maybe, we see those movies with a kind of [...]

]]> By: zunguzungu http://zunguzungu.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/john-ford-goes-to-guantanemo-again/#comment-336 zunguzungu Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:34:59 +0000 http://zunguzungu.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/john-ford-goes-to-guantanemo-again/#comment-336 Yeah, that's a good one. Ford made a lot of that kind of stuff, apparently, even filming war footage in the middle of the battle of Midway. And there's a Korea prop film out there somewhere too. It's an interesting way to frame his other work, though I'm not sure I've got enough of a handle on him to do it yet. Yeah, that’s a good one. Ford made a lot of that kind of stuff, apparently, even filming war footage in the middle of the battle of Midway. And there’s a Korea prop film out there somewhere too. It’s an interesting way to frame his other work, though I’m not sure I’ve got enough of a handle on him to do it yet.

]]> By: sepoy http://zunguzungu.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/john-ford-goes-to-guantanemo-again/#comment-322 sepoy Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:00:56 +0000 http://zunguzungu.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/john-ford-goes-to-guantanemo-again/#comment-322 Speaking of John Ford...I assume you saw this but if not: http://spiegelman.tumblr.com/post/29921323 Speaking of John Ford…I assume you saw this but if not:
http://spiegelman.tumblr.com/post/29921323

]]> By: zunguzungu http://zunguzungu.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/john-ford-goes-to-guantanemo-again/#comment-321 zunguzungu Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:59:35 +0000 http://zunguzungu.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/john-ford-goes-to-guantanemo-again/#comment-321 That was my impression too, but then isn't that the whole JW schtick? Being postmodern means you never have to ask about intent, and that seemed to be what made Buffy work (both uber LA and a play *on* LA). As for space cowboys, well... As for The Wire, expect a flurry of posts on it once it's become thoroughly passe. Until then, nothing but John Ford, all the time. That was my impression too, but then isn’t that the whole JW schtick? Being postmodern means you never have to ask about intent, and that seemed to be what made Buffy work (both uber LA and a play *on* LA). As for space cowboys, well…

As for The Wire, expect a flurry of posts on it once it’s become thoroughly passe. Until then, nothing but John Ford, all the time.

]]> By: sepoy http://zunguzungu.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/john-ford-goes-to-guantanemo-again/#comment-320 sepoy Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:53:53 +0000 http://zunguzungu.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/john-ford-goes-to-guantanemo-again/#comment-320 I crush on Jill Lepore. Having said that, I find the Firefly = CW discussions a tad overblown (big fan of JW, of course). The conceit of Firefly with its creolizations, its frontierizations and its marginalizations (to coin some -zations) ended up being just that - conceits. The mandarin-only cusses were used precisely as a scritwriter's crutches rather than a commentary on the ability of vernacular versus the classical tongues. Similarly, the drawls and the CW ended up being painted stages for the actors - cardboard and plaster. I know that JW attracts a prodigious amount of academic fanbase but I have noticed a tendency of ascribing intent where there is none. At least thats how I "read" it. Now if we can turn the conversation to The Wire.... I crush on Jill Lepore.

Having said that, I find the Firefly = CW discussions a tad overblown (big fan of JW, of course). The conceit of Firefly with its creolizations, its frontierizations and its marginalizations (to coin some -zations) ended up being just that – conceits. The mandarin-only cusses were used precisely as a scritwriter’s crutches rather than a commentary on the ability of vernacular versus the classical tongues. Similarly, the drawls and the CW ended up being painted stages for the actors – cardboard and plaster.

I know that JW attracts a prodigious amount of academic fanbase but I have noticed a tendency of ascribing intent where there is none. At least thats how I “read” it.

Now if we can turn the conversation to The Wire….

]]> By: zunguzungu http://zunguzungu.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/john-ford-goes-to-guantanemo-again/#comment-317 zunguzungu Fri, 21 Mar 2008 18:01:14 +0000 http://zunguzungu.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/john-ford-goes-to-guantanemo-again/#comment-317 After it became clear why you thought of Firefly in reference to the post, I googled and found these posts dealing with Firefly as civil war allegory. http://www.historycooperative.org/journals/cp/vol-03/no-02/talk/ http://torduange.wordpress.com/2007/12/10/dear-joss-whedon-dont-take-black-ops-so-literally/ http://torduange.wordpress.com/2007/11/27/the-yucky-malzoe-dynamic-in-firefly-or-joss-whedon-is-a-little-too-southern/ After it became clear why you thought of Firefly in reference to the post, I googled and found these posts dealing with Firefly as civil war allegory.

http://www.historycooperative.org/journals/cp/vol-03/no-02/talk/
http://torduange.wordpress.com/2007/12/10/dear-joss-whedon-dont-take-black-ops-so-literally/
http://torduange.wordpress.com/2007/11/27/the-yucky-malzoe-dynamic-in-firefly-or-joss-whedon-is-a-little-too-southern/

]]> By: zunguzungu http://zunguzungu.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/john-ford-goes-to-guantanemo-again/#comment-312 zunguzungu Thu, 20 Mar 2008 17:23:38 +0000 http://zunguzungu.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/john-ford-goes-to-guantanemo-again/#comment-312 Hmmm, how would that work? It's obviously a cowboy in space type deal, and both of those genres are *obviously* veiled allegories for colonial expansion, but I think I'll have to bow to someone's superior expertise. Maybe you? No tag backs! Hmmm, how would that work? It’s obviously a cowboy in space type deal, and both of those genres are *obviously* veiled allegories for colonial expansion, but I think I’ll have to bow to someone’s superior expertise. Maybe you? No tag backs!

]]> By: Natalia http://zunguzungu.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/john-ford-goes-to-guantanemo-again/#comment-310 Natalia Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:25:25 +0000 http://zunguzungu.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/john-ford-goes-to-guantanemo-again/#comment-310 I implore you to bring Joss Whedon's <em>Firefly</em> into this reading. I implore you to bring Joss Whedon’s Firefly into this reading.

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